bluegrazz

Hello all. There has been alot of debate as to Baptism and the proper way it is administered. So I am creating a thread to discuss this often misunderstood issue.

Full Immersion, Sprinkle or Does it even matter?

When is it appropriate to Baptize?

The Name of Jesus or The Name Of The Father, The Son and the Holy Ghost? Are they the same?

Please support your answers with scripture and not just your "personal preference" or the way your Church does it. Please tell us how you do it and why.

Thank you.

Illuminator

This is New Testament we're talking about; time and again old dogmas got overturned and it was pointed out as a bad thing that people were following them exactly to the letter without appreciating their deeper purpose. Worrying about whether full immersion or sprinkle misses the point.

The answer just depends on who you ask; this question is still "hotly" debated today. Personally I think it odd to read, "This is my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased," and then rally to another out-of-context verse or two to interpret that they are actually the same entity rather than distinct entities with a perfect unity of intent.

crip

Hello I'm new here ----

but, In my Church and the way I was raised we are baptized by what the scripture tells Jesus said to the disciples:..so shouldn't we do it as our Lord Jesus told us to do..Yes of coarse so...

Blessings,
crip~

rowahn

hello, southern baptist here, and when I was baptised, my pastor used the phrase "I baptise you my sister, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"

crip

Amen sister!

Eric

I agree that scripture calls for full immersion baptism. In addition to the passage cited by Crip, I'd point to:

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Duo

Why can't it just be the meaning behind the action and not the action itself.

Whether your fully immersed or only receive a sprinkle, does it really matter in the end?

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bluegrazz

The usual Trinitarian formula used for baptism is found in Matthew 28:19. The setting is the Great Commission. These are some of the last words that Jesus told His disciples before He ascended. It reads:

Matthew 28:19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

The first thing I would like to point out here is that name is singular. This is significant. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit all have one name. Now I do not intend to try and explain this passage away. These are the words of Jesus. But we must ask ourselves, what does this mean? We must not take this one passage in isolation and ignore everything else that the Bible has to say about baptism. We must let scripture interpret scripture and look at all that the Bible says on any given subject.
Next I would like to point out now that this is not the only account of the Great Commission. There is a reason why we have four gospels. God inspired each writer to write the same truth from different points of view. John did not record the Great Commission, but we will look at what the others said. When we look at Mark’s account we read:

Mark 16:15 Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues

So we see that Mark records the command to go and baptize, but does not speak of a name in connection with baptism. However, we do see a mention of Jesus’ name in the very next verse. More importantly we need to look at how the apostles obeyed these commands which we will see in the book of Acts. But now lets look at Luke’s account:

Luke 24:47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And you are witnesses of these things. 49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.

So here we read a command to preach repentance and remission of sins, in His name (which is fulfilled in Acts 2). If we look at the preceding verse we see that the pronoun His refers to Christ. So repentance and remission of sins are to be preached in Jesus’ name! Where do we receive the remission of sins? Well, let’s look at what Jesus’ disciples did with this command:

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them, 'Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.'


Isnt the NAME of the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost actually Jesus? Why are there 2 accounts of Baptism in the bible (Name of Jesus and Name of the Father4, Son, Holy Ghost)
Discuss pls.

TommyStrand

Yes it matters. Baptism is baptism. To be immersed. If someone does not want to do what Jesus commanded them, then they are living dangerously.

Jesus said in John 15:10

"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."

When God says something, He means it. If we do not understand why then I can assure you it is not because we understand more than God. Has it ever occured to you that nothing ever occurs to God? We can see from the bible verses pointed out above, and from the meaning of the word itself that full immersion is what we are told to do. So why try to get away with something else? Are we afraid of water?

Duo

LMAO because I'm so sure that when I die the first thing Jesus will ask me is, "were you fully immersed? Because if not, I don't think I can let you in mate."

Also, I was baptized when I was an infant, I had no choice in how they baptized me, but here I'll tell you what church my priest is in and you can call him and tell him how wrong he was for disobeying God.

Seriously man your so closed minded lol.

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"Imagination and Memory are but one thing, which for diverse considerations have diverse names."