Kelsy

Well no, its not judgmental nor close mindedness, merely a difference of opinions.

That is one of the essential elements of a debate. The most educational debates are not ones where both sides merely seek to speak in effort to prove the other side wrong, but to hear, listen and reflect on their own opinions in light of the dissenting points as well.

I believe its different interpretations of different bible passages. If I remember the ceremony correctly, it was the laying of the hands on one's head and annointment of oil upon their forehead as the significant symbolism. I am far from well versed in the scriptures but you guys have given me homework to do in my downtime. :-)

Duo

Difference of opinion would be, I do not prefer to get baptized in your method, but I respect that you did get baptized.

Closed mindedness and being judgmental is saying :
He basically not only disrespected me, but also my family, my priest, my church, and what was my religion. ( I consider myself as being a good hearted person, and nothing more now. )

So yes he is closed minded, and he doesn't know the meaning of true baptism. Specially since I got confirmed in the 8th grade, which btw is what you do when your baptized as an infant.

I find it ironic that he even has any relation to God with comments like that, but I don't question that subject because that's his business, and not mine.

I will however defend myself regardless.

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gclark

I don't feel I can address the subject of confirmation with any certainty. However, I can say that confirmation, holds different meanings in different churches. As I noted, I'm not catholic so I can't speak for their beliefs.

I will not say what other people should or should not believe. Nor can I, or will I, judge their standing with God.

I addressed my beliefs about baptism in my previous post.

Glen

TommyStrand

Duo - I am not telling you that sometime when you were a baby some guy spilled some water on your head. But what I am saying is that that is not baptism, because you did not do it because you surrendered your life to God in repentance. That is what baptism is. Historically baptism was full immersion, it was only later that some people decided to break Gods word and do what they wanted themselves.

Rinion

and you do? If you want to talk about irony...

TommyStrand

Non-christians may call a christian judgemental by saying there is only salvation through Jesus, and all other roads go to hell, but it was not the christian who made it so. God made it so. But it is true none-the-less. When God says something, then it is true. If your view is contrary to the Bible, then it is not judgemental by me to say you are wrong. I am merely telling you what God said. We must never make our own oppinions of christianity. Christianity is following Jesus. Obeying God. If someone else does not beat me to it, I will list the bible verses containing baptism in this thread, and we can all see if God obeys infant and/or involuntary baptism or what baptism actually means - full immersion - as an act of making a pact with God. If you have verses supporting your view. Please by all means show them to me.

Duo

Did I ever lay claim to knowing the true meaning? That's what I thought.

I was baptized as an infant because of my parents, they wanted to pass their beliefs down onto me. I got Confirmed in the 8th grade which solidified my agreement with my parents, basically that is saying if I were to make a conscious choice when I was baptized ( as a baby ) I would've said yes.

No, your 100% wrong on that whole paragraph. What God says is not Fact. Look up the word fact, it mentions nothing about God.

Fact is saying when you jump you will fall down because of gravity.

FAITH is saying that even though I do not physically see God I will believe in him regardless.

Your biggest problem is you are constantly pushing your faith on other people as if it were fact. This is not the case at all, Faith is fiction by default, because in order to have faith you must get rid of fact, because that's what faith is, trusting in something you do not completely understand.

I don't even need to mention how idiotic you already are considering you don't even think of yourself as a human ( which again by default makes you think you are somehow better then non-christians, which negates Most of Jesus' teachings. )

The bible is not a book of fact, it is a book of faith. Get used to it.

I don't care if you believe in it or not, that is not the issue, but don't ever try to treat it as fact because that is simply ignorant.

So yes I can say to you all I want that your judgmental, because you are. That sir is a fact, your actions are what make it so.

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gclark

You are being judgmental as well. Not taking sides, just pointing out the obvious. All we have here is different church views, both Christian, disagreeing about baptism. No need for name calling or disrespect from anyone. Let God sort it out.

Glen

Duo

No, I don't pass judgment on him, no need to. I said before though that I will not let someone tell me I wasn't baptized because I simply was not immersed fully.

Also, I will not stand by while someone tries to push the bible off as fact. That is simply not true. If you believe in the bible then seriously more power to you, that is an honorable thing to do imo especially in todays world, just do not think it is fact by any means, except in the abstract personal sense meaning that is it is fact to you alone.

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Lewz and Jesus are my homeboys.
"Imagination and Memory are but one thing, which for diverse considerations have diverse names."

gclark

All that you have stated above is opinion, not fact just cause you believe it to be. It does not mean you are right or wrong. For you to claim the bible is not factual, for some, is as bad as you perceive being told it is. Who are you to try and push the bible off as fiction? That is what you are doing. Same action just the opposite side.

Glen