TommyStrand

I am close minded, true. I only accept what I read in the Bible. When you stand before God, he won't ask you anything of such, He already knows, and so will you. You were not baptized as a child. Someone else threw water on you, whether a little, or whether they almost drowned you - you did not baptize as a part of your surrendering to God. So YOU have not been baptized yet.

Duo

Yes because I'm going to let some stranger on an online forum tell me what did and did not happen in my life. lmao.

I'm glad your closed minded though I'm pretty sure Jesus said to be open to everything and everyone. GG mate.

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TommyStrand

It seems to me that you say we must be opento everything and everyone because Jesus was, yet you are not open to me, like you pointed out in your first sentence above =)

But it depends what you mean with open. Was Jesus open to a possibility that He was wrong? No. Am I open to a possibility that He is wrong? No. I am open to God.

Rinion

I believe the freedom of choice is God's greatest gift to mankind and also the greatest curse. With sin and temptation present the right to choose can lead one to a stray path away from god. But the right to choose means that when you choose the correct path you do it of your own will and merit.
What greater joy could a parent have then to see their child succeed on their own based on what they taught them?

Being forced to do something good makes that something worthless. If you were forced to do it then it is very likely you didn't do it because it was what you wanted or just because it was the right thing to do.

All that said is why I believe full submersion is the way to go because I believe baptism is something each individual has got to want for themselves.

gclark

"Obviously, infants cannot understand the change of allegiance, the putting off of the old and putting on of the new, the dying and rising, the new life, or the sharing in the life of Christ. However, the parents of those infants can understand and live those values and pass them on to their children. They can also experience the support of the community in living those ideals, and that is extremely important."


"Infant Baptism only makes sense if parents are true Christian disciples. If they are not, then it makes little sense to initiate their children into a Church which calls for a commitment to living the mission of Christ."


"The Rite of Baptism for Children emphasizes the importance of faithfulness on the part of parents when it says to parents: In asking to have your children baptized, "you are accepting the responsibility of training them in the practice of the faith." That word practice is crucial; it calls for Christian modeling on the part of parents."


"Children learn to be Christian by osmosis, by experiencing Christianity at home. The "domestic church" prepares children for the local and world Church. It is in the home, in the domestic church, that children first learn basic trust which is the foundation of faith. Without the experience of faith, hope and commitment in the home, children will not be able to know and understand the larger Church."

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I was baptized as an infant in the Catholic church.The water being sprinkled on my forehead. In my opinion, this was more of a christening than a baptism.

As an adult and being born again or saved, (now a Baptist) I was fully immersed. My choice, free will, no longer a child. I believe this is what a baptism is supposed to be, as evidenced by the actions of John and Jesus.

Glen

the_zeeba

pretty sure He didnt.

Mat 21:12 And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all who sold and bought in the temple, and he overturned the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who sold pigeons.

doesnt sound like he was 'open to everything and everyone'

thats just one example

Duo

I am open to you, I'm just not going to let you tell me what happened in my life, especially when you have never even been in my life physically, the only person I would even trust like that would be God, and you sir are not him. So no I will not stand here and let you lecture me about my life, because you did not live it, you have no idea where to even begin on it, and you were/still are very rude and arrogant. I find that very ironic since your a Christian tbh.

Seriously who are you to tell anyone whether or not they were baptized? The arrogance I swear.

Jesus had doubt I'm sure of it, he was human, though still divine, I am almost positive he had some sort of doubt in his life, he obviously chose to overcome that doubt or else we would not be talking about him today.

The fact that you are not open to anything not in the bible actually worries me tbh, because the bible does not cover everything, and sometimes you just need to focus on what you need to do, not what something or someone tells you to do. Call me whatever you want for saying that but I believe God intended for us to affect change in a positive way towards people around us, not to worry about what will happen to us if we don't follow a book's instructions down to every little detail.

Also how do you even handle some of the bible's own hypocrisy?

In the old testament it was an eye for an eye and tooth for tooth, and it wasn't until the new testament that Jesus said no, turn the other cheek if someone harms you IIIRC, so there you have two scenarios playing out and both of them are right according to the bible. J/W what's going through your mind there is all.

All I'm saying is the bible won't tell you what to do in every situation, that's impossible. So read it yes, learn from it of course, but don't just blindly follow it because you think it's "right"

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Duo

No he was still open to them, unless there is more to the story which I don't recall. He didn't say don't ever sell again, he just said don't do it in my house, my home, my place of prayer.

Also in that case they simply just crossed the line imo, so what Jesus did was needed, tough love I guess.

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Kelsy

I may be wrong, but it is my understanding that the whole purpose of Confirmation is to make that choice with free will. At Confirmation you are asked to confirm that the choice originally made by your parents to raise you in the faith is one that you now choose to do and continue doing as a young adult.

If I am understanding some previous posts correctly, then are all Catholics, who have been since birth, not truly baptized? I struggle with finding this to be true. If one has chosen, confirmed and accepted Jesus Christ and the faith into their life does the absence of one event (the complete submersion) negate their lifelong beliefs and continuance of them?

Duo

That's the problem with some people, they focus so much on the action that they completely ignore the meaning and purpose behind it, and refuse to accept anyone that didn't do it "exactly as said".

Honestly to say that someone is not a Christian because they weren't fully immersed is so judgmental and closed minded it's ground shattering. Like I said in another post there are more important things to worry about.

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