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Old 10-08-2008, 01:29 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Old 10-08-2008, 02:09 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I can't believe you actually typed that...
I can type whatever I want, you don't know me so shut the **** up.

I actually KNOW zeeba, and have had a friendship with him for awhile, so my comment was based on the fact that I have known him for the past several years, and have talked to him on a regular basis.

As for zeeba, I respect your faith, I really do, the one thing I just cannot accept is that your choosing to ignore facts for a book written by man, I'll even be positive and say that the bible really was inspired by God, however after the bible was written a meeting was held by men that effectively changed it.

It doesn't matter if it was a small change or not, the very fact that the bible was indeed changed means it got corrupted, and that corruption has only gotten worse with each version since then I.E the new american bible or w/e.


Do you have a link to the original bible? Or know if it can be read somewhere today? I'm talking the very first, before any changes, none of this "close to original" stuff. If you do then please post it as I would love to see it and read it.

And finally at tommy, your so delusional it's scary, I'm not making fun of you, nor am I insulting you, I am telling you straight up how it is.

You want some "facts" Here they are :

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The Ninth of the Ten Commandments is "You shall not lie." Telling just one lie, according to God's standards, makes you a "liar." In Revelation 21:8, God says, "...all liars, shall have their part in the lake of fire..."
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The Seventh of the Ten Commandments is "You shall not commit adultery." If you've ever looked at another person with lustful thoughts, according to God's standards, that makes you an "adulterer." Jesus said, "You have heard it said, You shall not commit adultery: But I say to you, that whoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matthew 5:28) In 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, God says that no adulterers "...shall inherit the kingdom of God."
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The Third of the Ten Commandments is "You shall not take the name of the Lord in vain." If you've every used the name "God," "Jesus," or "Christ" as a curse word, what you've done is take the name of the God who gave you life, and you've used it as if it were a "four-letter" filth word to express disgust. That offense is called "blasphemy," and according to God's standards, you are a "blasphemer." In Leviticus 24:16 , God says, "he that blasphemes the name of the LORD, shall surely be put to death..."
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The Eighth of the Ten Commandments is "You shall not steal." Stealing just one thing (regardless of it's size or monetary value), according to God's standards, makes you a "thief." In 1 Corinthians 6:10, God says, "No thieves... ...shall inherit the kingdom of God."
These are all qoutes off of a quiz from YOUR website.

So, after reading all of those, it is only logical to assume everyone will be going to hell, because at one point in their life, everyone has done one of those things above.
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It has already been established that you would be guilty of breaking His commandments. Even if you were able to perfectly keep 9 of the commandments for your entire life -- you have broken the first commandment (Question #8). The First of the Ten Commandments is "You shall have no other gods before me." That means that we should love God with all of our heart, mind, soul and strength. The Bible tells us that no one has kept this commandment (see Psalm 14:2-3).
Again this is all from your quiz, off of your site. Not only that but when visiting your homepage you are greeted by this little message :
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The counter to the side is ticking off the number of people who have died since you opened this webpage. The vast majority of those people are entering Hell. Christ commanded his followers to share the Gospel with those who are perishing... who have you shared with today?
Do you honestly think you are God? Because you certainly sound so from all of your post, I mean are you so blind that you think everything you post is 100% correct and infallible?

Do you not even see the hypocrisy you spew off with each post? You quote the bible, as if it were 100% fact, when the truth is your not even quoting the original copy, and it has been shown that you often quote different versions of the bible, often which ever version suits the situation best.

Your only source of "fact" comes from an edited book written by man, I am sorry but that is not the bible, it was a bible at one time but the very second that meeting was held and the bible was changed is the very second that bible became just a book.

You sir are a fanatic of the worst kind. Not only do you think your right in every post, you can't even see other people's point of views, and when the same tactic you often use is turned against you, you have no answer in return.

Actually you have no answer now, because I quoted passages from the bible, which from your view is infallible, so I am 100% right in my post. yay1!!!!!!! /sarcasm off.

Now after all the quoting you do from that edited book of yours, here is one for you :

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Humans who lose the ability to think become creatures whose existence has no value. Wake up! Don't be afraid of knowledge! Think, you humans who are split into two worlds, unless you want the gulf between humans to expand into oblivion, you must think!
So in short,Think.
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THIS IS AWESOME.....where is that last quote from DUO?
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Thank you so much for proving the entire point of the Christian message Duo You are truly an awesome helper, used by God and you don't even know it...

That's right. EVERY person is a sinner! EVERYONE has lied! That's the poing and whole reason for Christs death on the cross. To DIE and receive the punishment for SINNING! And since He was sinless He could pay the price for everyone else who couldn't! And now he GIVES forgiveness and freedom from sin and all it's consequences to anyone who wants to receive it

That is the wonderful message of God to the world. Thank you for the preaching mate You were great!

To comment your claims that I use different versions of the Bible whichever suits me at the moment - well, they are wrong, and pretty hilarious.

You ask for the right Bible, the original. Well, the origianl is the OT in Hebrew, and the NT in greek. OT was and still is accepted by all hebrew scholars as the original, and Jesus quoted it, and the disciples quoted it, as well as pieces of each others works. At the same time, all the disciples who heard and lived with Jesus, did live at the time that the 100s of letters and teachings of Jesus came to be, and so they kept the real writings and teachings, and the few that were false, they didn't pay attention to nor used. So when God wanted to put the old pact and the new pact together in one Bible for all the world to read (you know God DID and DO want the whole world to hear His message - which makes it pretty easy to understand why He wanted one collective Book) - He made the job easy for those He put together to do the actual work for Him. The fact is that God still, even today proves every word in the Bible to whoever acts on it. He has proven so much to me, healing me and so many others, blessing and aiding us at all the right times. God is good

You can easily read the hebrew and greek originals if you download e-sword for example. Of course, knowing that not everyone does have that or similar programs, or have the time to learn the languages, good Christian people translated it into english and various other languages so we can all enjoy Gods commands and promises to us. Now, yes the truth is that the translations of the Bible are not perfect, that's why I and most other Christians use a word for word translation. Like the KJV for example. Even if a few words may be translated with more then one word, for example the word for salvation means more then just that - it means healed, blessed, made whole etc - remember that next time you read that salvation is for you - you can be healed, blessed and made whole as well. All of it. If you want that is. God will never give you anything you don't want. Which btw is why you don't understand Him, or what we Christians speak about. But even if a few words can be translated slightly different, the general will of God is easily understood.

I have an answer for all of your comments. You know it is possible for me to overlook one comment to me, and sometimes I see it, but don't have time to answer there and then - and if I at one time decide I don't want to answer, it will be because God tells me not to. You know, a time will come when you are given no more chances to repent by God. I hope you have not reached that point yet. I still pray for you.

You keep saying that we must think. I suggest you take your own advice to heart.
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THIS IS AWESOME.....where is that last quote from DUO?
Big O Episode 17 : Leviathan.

The dude behind the words is a genius, even if it is just a show.
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Thank you so much for proving the entire point of the Christian message Duo You are truly an awesome helper, used by God and you don't even know it...

That's right. EVERY person is a sinner! EVERYONE has lied! That's the poing and whole reason for Christs death on the cross. To DIE and receive the punishment for SINNING! And since He was sinless He could pay the price for everyone else who couldn't! And now he GIVES forgiveness and freedom from sin and all it's consequences to anyone who wants to receive it

That is the wonderful message of God to the world. Thank you for the preaching mate You were great!

To comment your claims that I use different versions of the Bible whichever suits me at the moment - well, they are wrong, and pretty hilarious.

You ask for the right Bible, the original. Well, the origianl is the OT in Hebrew, and the NT in greek. OT was and still is accepted by all hebrew scholars as the original, and Jesus quoted it, and the disciples quoted it, as well as pieces of each others works. At the same time, all the disciples who heard and lived with Jesus, did live at the time that the 100s of letters and teachings of Jesus came to be, and so they kept the real writings and teachings, and the few that were false, they didn't pay attention to nor used. So when God wanted to put the old pact and the new pact together in one Bible for all the world to read (you know God DID and DO want the whole world to hear His message - which makes it pretty easy to understand why He wanted one collective Book) - He made the job easy for those He put together to do the actual work for Him. The fact is that God still, even today proves every word in the Bible to whoever acts on it. He has proven so much to me, healing me and so many others, blessing and aiding us at all the right times. God is good

You can easily read the hebrew and greek originals if you download e-sword for example. Of course, knowing that not everyone does have that or similar programs, or have the time to learn the languages, good Christian people translated it into english and various other languages so we can all enjoy Gods commands and promises to us. Now, yes the truth is that the translations of the Bible are not perfect, that's why I and most other Christians use a word for word translation. Like the KJV for example. Even if a few words may be translated with more then one word, for example the word for salvation means more then just that - it means healed, blessed, made whole etc - remember that next time you read that salvation is for you - you can be healed, blessed and made whole as well. All of it. If you want that is. God will never give you anything you don't want. Which btw is why you don't understand Him, or what we Christians speak about. But even if a few words can be translated slightly different, the general will of God is easily understood.

I have an answer for all of your comments. You know it is possible for me to overlook one comment to me, and sometimes I see it, but don't have time to answer there and then - and if I at one time decide I don't want to answer, it will be because God tells me not to. You know, a time will come when you are given no more chances to repent by God. I hope you have not reached that point yet. I still pray for you.

You keep saying that we must think. I suggest you take your own advice to heart.
I seek truth. I am constantly thinking, considering, deducing, and analyzing.

You have stopped thinking and thus have stopped living. The proof is in your post.

Goodbye.
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Well, someone went to drama school.

Take care my friend. Wherever you go, remember to go the right way.
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I actually KNOW zeeba, and have had a friendship with him for awhile, so my comment was based on the fact that I have known him for the past several years, and have talked to him on a regular basis.

As for zeeba, I respect your faith, I really do, the one thing I just cannot accept is that your choosing to ignore facts for a book written by man, I'll even be positive and say that the bible really was inspired by God, however after the bible was written a meeting was held by men that effectively changed it.
we been friends since.... bout a year ago maybe? wasnt there some channel /alliance or w/e that we were both in with kieraliza (wow i remembered how to spell that lol!) and that monk chick? then i joined revo (w00t) then it broke (thinking bout that still makes me laff cuz when you left, 2/3 of the guild left within 20 mins LOL).

anyway,

Even though we see the Bible differently, I still respect your views. Im not saying your a horrible person for not believing what I say. I think it may be wrong, but everyone has differences of opinion
and honestly, i dont think less of you just because we disagree. Honest. I still consider you a friend and its a friendship I dont want to lose just because we dont agree on religion.

now get ur butt back in eq2, slacker :P
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Wow, this got heated up.

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Wow, this got heated up.

[NotebookEntry] Don't anger Duo [/NotebookEntry]
dude you have no idea lol.

duo (lol i typed ur other name for a second :P) can rip anyone ive ever seen apart without them getting a word in.
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