Distrbuting Information, Condoms and Birthcontrol by school medical depts.

Lewz · 10-17-2008, 01:47 PM

Ok so in case the topic wasn't clear because i couldn't figure out exactly how to put it, this is about the fight against young teen pregnancies and the spread of sexual diseases amongst children. many schools have enacgted adn want to enact the abilty to give kids engaging in sex information, was well as protection to protect them from these negative effects.

Now personal i am for it for these reasons. Although i don't think six graders shoudl be having sex for maturity reasons the fact is its happening and there doing it incredibly irresposibly. The studies show that this works to prevent preganices and diseases and doesn't attarct kids already having sex to have sex becasue of the services. Many times the kids who already are having sex aren't getting the proper services becasue they are afraid to tell there parents and i think taht the anonymonity of the school services will help them be responsible.

Often the arguement agianst these programs is the same argument used agaisnt programs like needle exchange that are extremely effective. For those informiliar with needle exchange its a prgoram where all dirty needles found can be exchanged for clean ones, instead of people sharing dirty needles. This has worked wonders ridding the transfer of disease through drug users. It doesnt attract new drug users however opponents feel that it is condoning an illegal, immoral act. However i disagree, i think its neccesary and it needs to be done now, just like this birth control, protection subject, whats your opinion?

Mordenkainaen · 10-17-2008, 02:20 PM

I'm all for the distribution of protection and related information that is true and accurate (no scare tactics and false info!). Obviously, I wish that 6th grade kids weren't thinking about having sex, but burying my head in the sand and advocating abstience-only education isn't going to get me anywhere.

I'm pretty sure that if a kid goes to the school nurse and asks for a condom, that kid is pretty intent on having sex pretty soon and is probably going to go through with it regardless of whether or not they have some sort of protection. I doubt some kid is going to think, "Awesome, I have a condom now - now I just have to find someone to screw around with!"

Yes, it ought to be up to the parents to teach their children about responsible and safe sex, but parents can't hover over their kids 24/7, and a voice of reason can't always prevent some kid from making a stupid decision. A school wouldn't be over-stepping their boundaries either. They're just making sure the kids that attend their school are as safe and healthy as they can be - instead of having their attendees out sick taking care of an STD, or missing school/dropping out because of an unplanned pregnancy.

Think of it this way...

As a parent, when you teach your teenager how to drive, you tell them to drive an appropriate speed. However, you know they are eventually going to speed, for any number of reasons. So, to keep them safe, you make sure they're buckled in. That way, if they do start speeding, hopefully the chance of something horrible happening to them is lessened. Wouldn't you know it, one day, they do start driving over the limit. But, they've learned from you what to do, and they're protected, and they come out of the situation safe and sound.

However, you could try and convince yourself that your kids are such good little innocent angels, and you're such a perfect parent, and the world is so clean and shiny, your kid is never going to speed. You've decided not to tell them what can happen if they drive too fast, so they're left clueless. In fact, they'll never get going fast enough to need any tire traction! After fooling yourself into thinking your kids won't need good traction in the future, you skimp and get crappy tires for their vehicle - worn bald and partly falling apart. Wouldn't you know it, one day, they do start driving over the limit. But, they have no idea what they're doing, and nothing to keep them in control of the situation, and they end up in a ditch and pretty banged up.

Parents can't control their kids' minds or watch over them 24/7, and they need to wake up and realize that real life is not as clean and wholesome as the Brady Bunch might have you realize.

Lewz · 10-17-2008, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mordenkainaen

I'm all for the distribution of protection and related information that is true and accurate (no scare tactics and false info!). Obviously, I wish that 6th grade kids weren't thinking about having sex, but burying my head in the sand and advocating abstience-only education isn't going to get me anywhere.

I'm pretty sure that if a kid goes to the school nurse and asks for a condom, that kid is pretty intent on having sex pretty soon and is probably going to go through with it regardless of whether or not they have some sort of protection. I doubt some kid is going to think, "Awesome, I have a condom now - now I just have to find someone to screw around with!"

Yes, it ought to be up to the parents to teach their children about responsible and safe sex, but parents can't hover over their kids 24/7, and a voice of reason can't always prevent some kid from making a stupid decision. A school wouldn't be over-stepping their boundaries either. They're just making sure the kids that attend their school are as safe and healthy as they can be - instead of having their attendees out sick taking care of an STD, or missing school/dropping out because of an unplanned pregnancy.

Think of it this way...

As a parent, when you teach your teenager how to drive, you tell them to drive an appropriate speed. However, you know they are eventually going to speed, for any number of reasons. So, to keep them safe, you make sure they're buckled in. That way, if they do start speeding, hopefully the chance of something horrible happening to them is lessened. Wouldn't you know it, one day, they do start driving over the limit. But, they've learned from you what to do, and they're protected, and they come out of the situation safe and sound.

However, you could try and convince yourself that your kids are such good little innocent angels, and you're such a perfect parent, and the world is so clean and shiny, your kid is never going to speed. You've decided not to tell them what can happen if they drive too fast, so they're left clueless. In fact, they'll never get going fast enough to need any tire traction! After fooling yourself into thinking your kids won't need good traction in the future, you skimp and get crappy tires for their vehicle - worn bald and partly falling apart. Wouldn't you know it, one day, they do start driving over the limit. But, they have no idea what they're doing, and nothing to keep them in control of the situation, and they end up in a ditch and pretty banged up.

Parents can't control their kids' minds or watch over them 24/7, and they need to wake up and realize that real life is not as clean and wholesome as the Brady Bunch might have you realize.

Ya so i think were pretty much on the same page, you don't think we could possibly be sending kids the wrong message, or risk it being distorted. Overall i think not but jw

Londie · 10-17-2008, 04:46 PM

Agreed. I know I won't be able to stop my son from having sex if its something he really wants to do, its jaded for parents to think they can. I'd rather he do that safely and be educated about sex and all that it entails than to not be and risk catching something or making me a grandma when he's 16. I see no problem with the schools helping out in that area.

10-17-2008, 01:47 PM	#1 (permalink)
Lewz Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Boston Posts: 154 My Photos: (0)	Distrbuting Information, Condoms and Birthcontrol by school medical depts. Ok so in case the topic wasn't clear because i couldn't figure out exactly how to put it, this is about the fight against young teen pregnancies and the spread of sexual diseases amongst children. many schools have enacgted adn want to enact the abilty to give kids engaging in sex information, was well as protection to protect them from these negative effects. Now personal i am for it for these reasons. Although i don't think six graders shoudl be having sex for maturity reasons the fact is its happening and there doing it incredibly irresposibly. The studies show that this works to prevent preganices and diseases and doesn't attarct kids already having sex to have sex becasue of the services. Many times the kids who already are having sex aren't getting the proper services becasue they are afraid to tell there parents and i think taht the anonymonity of the school services will help them be responsible. Often the arguement agianst these programs is the same argument used agaisnt programs like needle exchange that are extremely effective. For those informiliar with needle exchange its a prgoram where all dirty needles found can be exchanged for clean ones, instead of people sharing dirty needles. This has worked wonders ridding the transfer of disease through drug users. It doesnt attract new drug users however opponents feel that it is condoning an illegal, immoral act. However i disagree, i think its neccesary and it needs to be done now, just like this birth control, protection subject, whats your opinion? __________________

10-17-2008, 02:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
Mordenkainaen Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 35 My Photos: (0)	Re: Distrbuting Information, Condoms and Birthcontrol by school medical depts. I'm all for the distribution of protection and related information that is true and accurate (no scare tactics and false info!). Obviously, I wish that 6th grade kids weren't thinking about having sex, but burying my head in the sand and advocating abstience-only education isn't going to get me anywhere. I'm pretty sure that if a kid goes to the school nurse and asks for a condom, that kid is pretty intent on having sex pretty soon and is probably going to go through with it regardless of whether or not they have some sort of protection. I doubt some kid is going to think, "Awesome, I have a condom now - now I just have to find someone to screw around with!" Yes, it ought to be up to the parents to teach their children about responsible and safe sex, but parents can't hover over their kids 24/7, and a voice of reason can't always prevent some kid from making a stupid decision. A school wouldn't be over-stepping their boundaries either. They're just making sure the kids that attend their school are as safe and healthy as they can be - instead of having their attendees out sick taking care of an STD, or missing school/dropping out because of an unplanned pregnancy. Think of it this way... As a parent, when you teach your teenager how to drive, you tell them to drive an appropriate speed. However, you know they are eventually going to speed, for any number of reasons. So, to keep them safe, you make sure they're buckled in. That way, if they do start speeding, hopefully the chance of something horrible happening to them is lessened. Wouldn't you know it, one day, they do start driving over the limit. But, they've learned from you what to do, and they're protected, and they come out of the situation safe and sound. However, you could try and convince yourself that your kids are such good little innocent angels, and you're such a perfect parent, and the world is so clean and shiny, your kid is never going to speed. You've decided not to tell them what can happen if they drive too fast, so they're left clueless. In fact, they'll never get going fast enough to need any tire traction! After fooling yourself into thinking your kids won't need good traction in the future, you skimp and get crappy tires for their vehicle - worn bald and partly falling apart. Wouldn't you know it, one day, they do start driving over the limit. But, they have no idea what they're doing, and nothing to keep them in control of the situation, and they end up in a ditch and pretty banged up. Parents can't control their kids' minds or watch over them 24/7, and they need to wake up and realize that real life is not as clean and wholesome as the Brady Bunch might have you realize.

10-17-2008, 04:46 PM	#4 (permalink)
Londie Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 77 My Photos: (0)	Re: Distrbuting Information, Condoms and Birthcontrol by school medical depts. Agreed. I know I won't be able to stop my son from having sex if its something he really wants to do, its jaded for parents to think they can. I'd rather he do that safely and be educated about sex and all that it entails than to not be and risk catching something or making me a grandma when he's 16. I see no problem with the schools helping out in that area. __________________ "What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us."