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Old 10-03-2008, 11:25 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I know every generation since the beginning of man has had their DoomCallers in the streets with signs, proclaiming the end is near.

Except now, it really does feel like it.

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In the last days, good will be called evil and evil will be called good. Mankind will have a “form” of godliness but it will be false because their hearts will be so wicked they won’t even recognize how evil their behavior is.
When Christians are the constant target of assault and abuse and the country defends and protects the rights of homosexuals who want to play house.

There are so many factors today, more than ever before, that compact together and give me a feeling that our chances of seeing the King's return are high. They are at least higher than those of the generations before us.

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But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!
Does anything in that last Bible quote shock you? No, and it wont, because that is what we live in everyday. I often think when I see these things, that this must have been how it was when God was preparing Noah's mind before the flood. Almost as if he is saying "look around you and seperate yourself from this, for my return is imminent".

Think about this, you dont have to go very far back for most of this change to have happened. Go back to our grandparents time (im 28, we may differ). Imagine, if you will, walking into a bank or a grocer and standing in line, waiting like the rest. And the man next to you says "Great day, isnt it?" to which you proudly proclaim "Its is a great day, it has been since I was saved recently, praise Jesus".

Now 40 years ago you would have either gotten a smile of "Thats nice" or "Welcome to the faith, brother, here's my number, call me, those first few steps are rough". I cannot imagine this setting nowdays. If you did not get screamed at and/or physically attacked, you would be lectured about how God "does not make sense", ect.

All I'm trying to say is it goes back full circle about how evil will be called good and good will be called evil. It is now, look around you, and pray.
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Old 10-03-2008, 11:47 AM   #2 (permalink)
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The time of Jesus' coming is 'imminent.' It has been since he ascended. Nothing needed to happen before his return at that time either. Im sure those he left on the mountain after his ascension looked for his coming to be in their lifetime.

'Imminent' doesnt necessarily mean soon, it just means it could happen at any moment. Not necessarily that it will. It could be today and it could be 200 years from now.

i think ur comment about us having a higher chance to see Christ's return than previous generations is humorous. Its obviously higher, but only because their generations have come and gone without Christs return lol.

but i do agree that Christ could come back at any time. and i pray for it lol.
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Old 10-03-2008, 12:13 PM   #3 (permalink)
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The time of Jesus' coming is 'imminent.' It has been since he ascended. Nothing needed to happen before his return at that time either. Im sure those he left on the mountain after his ascension looked for his coming to be in their lifetime.

'Imminent' doesnt necessarily mean soon, it just means it could happen at any moment. Not necessarily that it will. It could be today and it could be 200 years from now.

i think ur comment about us having a higher chance to see Christ's return than previous generations is humorous. Its obviously higher, but only because their generations have come and gone without Christs return lol.

but i do agree that Christ could come back at any time. and i pray for it lol.
Other than your complete and total breakdown of my post, even while using 'words' like "ur", you do not notice that recent times show some definite signs of Christs return very soon?
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but i do agree that Christ could come back at any time.
i guess technically we disagree. I think Christ's return has been imminent since his ascension and you see it as having to be soon.

I wasnt trying to nitpick your post lol. Just clarifying my similar view.

and im a lazy programmer so typing 'ur' instead of 'your' is 2 less keys == quicker and makes sense to me lol.
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i guess technically we disagree. I think Christ's return has been imminent since his ascension and you see it as having to be soon.

I wasnt trying to nitpick your post lol. Just clarifying my similar view.

and im a lazy programmer so typing 'ur' instead of 'your' is 2 less keys == quicker and makes sense to me lol.
Hah, I am a code-monkey as well, but almost done for the day

I realize that this has been said for thousands of years, and I DO recognize the fact that the word imminent literally just means "is coming" or "will happen", so you are correct about that. I was just stating that with the way the world is today, if he does not come soon, we may be taking the mark.
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Old 10-04-2008, 07:41 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Im just curious here - of the people reading this: If there was a knock on your door and you opened it and a man stood there and said "Hi Im Jesus. Im back - believe in me." Would you believe him? What if he was not as you expected him to appear? What if he chose to appear as ... an asian man? or an effeminate male?

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Homosexuality is not evil. And evil "has been called good" many times in the past.

The end of the world is not soon, and the sky is not falling. Its an interesting discussion to be sure, but the "signs " prevalent in those passages are hardly any more or less true from a global perspective than they have been previously.
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So the end of the world is here because we have chosen, instead of beating and harassing people over stupid **** ( homos), we have chosen to accept them?

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You know its funny people seem to have this complex that there generation is so much worse off than before. When reality its the exact opposite, its all relative. So to horribly quote Zeeba, were no more likely to see the return of Jesus than anyone else before us and anyone else after us.

And to say these times are more evil because we let homosexuals be rather than gay bashing and killing them is kind of odd. You seem to have more of a problem with the fact that we have more tolerance. rather than the fact that we commit any more sins than other generations.
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I'm not sure what shell you guys/gals live in.

I know that every generation has said this before, read the original post again. Think back 20 years ago, were there shows on that had a cartoon of Christ defecating and killing people? Were there art shows soley dedicated to depicting the savior in horrible situations? Was Christ the punchline of at least one joke in just about every stand-up routine?

The answer is no.


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You seem to have more of a problem with the fact that we have more tolerance.
Please do a search on my posts about homosexuality.

Furthermore, homosexuality is a sin, it is evil. Don't kid yourself. I have repeatedly posted that it is no more a sin than lying or stealing, and I do believe that homosexuals are born that way, nor is it a straight ticket to hell. You miss interpret my post. I am constantly under scrutiny from peers for having compassion to homosexuals, and I have 3 in my immediate family who love Jesus, and I love them.

My main reason behind this posting was to ask if others had seen the general evil that seeps around us on a daily basis and if you thought, perhaps, that it was all coming to a close. What other time in history has it been so commonplace to bash Christ and Christians? And it will only get worse.
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I'm not sure what shell you guys/gals live in.

I know that every generation has said this before, read the original post again. Think back 20 years ago, were there shows on that had a cartoon of Christ defecating and killing people? Were there art shows soley dedicated to depicting the savior in horrible situations? Was Christ the punchline of at least one joke in just about every stand-up routine?

The answer is no.


Please do a search on my posts about homosexuality.

Furthermore, homosexuality is a sin, it is evil. Don't kid yourself. I have repeatedly posted that it is no more a sin than lying or stealing, and I do believe that homosexuals are born that way, nor is it a straight ticket to hell. You miss interpret my post. I am constantly under scrutiny from peers for having compassion to homosexuals, and I have 3 in my immediate family who love Jesus, and I love them.

My main reason behind this posting was to ask if others had seen the general evil that seeps around us on a daily basis and if you thought, perhaps, that it was all coming to a close. What other time in history has it been so commonplace to bash Christ and Christians? And it will only get worse.

There was a time when you were straight up KILLED for even mentioning you believe in Christ, so I fail to see how we are worse off now if all were doing is "bashing" christ. We're not even bashing you really, were just saying stop acting as if your book of faith is a book of fact.
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