A Woman's role in the Church - Page 2

TommyStrand · 10-01-2008, 02:54 AM

I think it is a dangerous thing to start seperating men and women. I have never supported it as I do not see a scriptural reference to it in the bible. I will stop posting here though regardless of whether it is right to do so or not, if the rules here prevent me to. But I did not know it was. Is it?

Mr. Harris · 10-01-2008, 04:48 AM

Honestly I did not read the forum description where it says "For Women Only." My apologies, this will be my last post here until that changes.

Mr. Harris

Kelcie · 10-11-2008, 02:27 AM

I hope that no one minds that I kinda bump this thread with a reply. I have recently got back home from my honeymoon and have been so busy with after wedding stuff that I just haven't had time to surf the forums like I normally do.

I will say that as a woman, in my church I've never felt unable to get in the pulpit and sing, or take a leadership role in a church group. There aren't any women that pastor my church, but I don't believe there are any rules saying they couldn't. I believe the only thing women in my church have to abide by when they get in the pulpit is not wearing a short skirt.. it must be knee length, but preferably longer.

In my opinion, which may or may not mean anything, it's late and I'm probably just gonna ramble

I believe like an above poster stated, that men and women, are both "called" by God to do a number of works in a church. Whether that be preaching, singing, taking care of the kids in the nursery, leading a women's prayer group, etc etc. I don't believe it's so much of a gender issue, as a heart issue. God looks at the heart of a person..( again just my opinion from my own personal relationship with Christ) Not what they look like, or how they dress, or their gender. There are just as many women able ( and called ) to preach the Word of God as men. Be it in a pulpit, a football stadium, on a radio or tv station.. it matters not.

Joyce Meyer and Paula White are some of my favorite female pastors to listen to, and God through their testimonies and teachings has touched my life in ways that I don't think a man's preaching or teaching could have. Just because they identify with me in being a woman.

For me, and my faith, it's all about my personal relationship with Christ, and the things he's brought me out of and saved me from, myself included. I believe men and women both should equally have a place pastoring a church or preaching a pulpit.. if that is what God has called them and lead them to do. Obviously, male or female it doesn't matter, if it was God's call on their life, the fruits of said calling and their will to obey will show by God blessing them (and the congregation) through their obedience. It's not for me to decide if it's wrong or should be allowed.

Who am I to question God? Just because someone "interprets" a bible verse into Women shouldn't be allowed into the pulpit to preach, doesn't mean that for every instance that could be true. You never know the way God works for someone else or what he has called them to do. Your relationship with God ( and I know it sounds corny) is as original as a snowflake, and as original as you are. No two personal relationships with God are the same. At least I have yet to meet or speak with someone else that has had the exact same experiences with God as I have.

In closing, to the OP. I respect and understand the rules your church goes by. I guess for me personally, I just never thought gender mattered. If a man or woman is called to preach, and is lead to get in the pulpit at that given moment, or has a message to share..I'll hear what they have to say. God will use whomever is willing to listen and hear him, to get to the unbelieving, or anyone else. I won't put limits on God, and that's not meant to offend or insinuating that you or your church does.. you just never know who God's gonna use next.

Sorry for the long winded post.

Edit: Spelling at 5:30am does not a good post make

LFJC · 01-15-2009, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelsy

I will respectfully ask that if you are not of the female gender to please refrain from posting on here. I know that there's ONLY 20 odd other forums to post on, but please respect the intentions of this specific forum.

In case the title of the forum "Christian WOMEN'S issues" baffled you, I would highly recommend the brief synopsis generously provided by Eric underneath the forum name on the main page. It is quite clear and informative. Its a shame some cannot respect the intentions of a forum and feel that their opinions are SO important they cannot find an alternative place to voice them.

I will respectfully decline. This isnt a "women's only" section as I understand it, its a forum to discuss issues that affect women. This particular issue affects both. How? Well , supposing a church is without a preacher, maybe the old one passed away or retired. Maybe there are several female candidates within the church that could do teh job exceptionally well.

Should we really discriminate based on someone's genitailia? Women are every bit as smart and capable as men. The old "women should be seen and not heard " argument should've died back in medeival times.

My understanding of the role of a church or ANY faith is to spread the word of God, help maintain its congregations faith in God, and persumably counsel the congregation in matters pertaining to one's faith and life. Its essentially the job of a communicator. Is there truly ANY doubt in anyone's mind that a woman cannot do at least as good, if not better, job as a man can?

Theres enough discrimination against women in the world. This is a man-made (excuse the expression) rule, and not attributed to God himself speaking or Jesus, as far as I can tell. If you want to subjugate women, become a hardcore muslim.

Londie · 01-15-2009, 05:54 AM

Actually, I believe you've understood wrong. Men's only and Women's only are just that. eric even stated at one point he was trying to find a way that when people register for the site, they select their gender and then they would only see the forum which pertained to them.

So, while I enjoy and get a kick out of debating with you, LFJC, it will need to be in the other 10+ forums available on the board

Thank you!

LFJC · 01-15-2009, 06:35 AM

Kind of a ridiculous policy imho. What does that accomplish exactly? Ah well, Im out then.

Londie · 01-15-2009, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LFJC

I will respectfully decline. This isnt a "women's only" section as I understand it, its a forum to discuss issues that affect women. This particular issue affects both. How? Well , supposing a church is without a preacher, maybe the old one passed away or retired. Maybe there are several female candidates within the church that could do teh job exceptionally well.

First of all, if said church doesn't believe in female ministers, then this is null and void because there wouldn't be a woman to choose from in the first place.

Should we really discriminate based on someone's genitailia? Women are every bit as smart and capable as men. The old "women should be seen and not heard " argument should've died back in medeival times.

Its not discrimination, and frankly that word is being thrown around way too much lately, mainly due to Prop 8, but that's a rant for another day

I'm sure there are plenty of women who are wonderful, skilled speakers within churches, but they also have their place within the church. The argument, when it pertains to doctrine within a church should most certainly not have died. In my opinion, doing so would be outright ignoring the word of God.

My understanding of the role of a church or ANY faith is to spread the word of God, help maintain its congregations faith in God, and persumably counsel the congregation in matters pertaining to one's faith and life. Its essentially the job of a communicator. Is there truly ANY doubt in anyone's mind that a woman cannot do at least as good, if not better, job as a man can?

Your first sentence, absolutely so. But, its not JUST a communication job, its way more than that. With my best friend of 10+ years being our pastor's daughter, I've seen a LOT of what's required of a pastor, especially being a pastor of a church that's had its good times and really crappy times. Saying its just essentially a job of a communicator is grossly undercutting what a pastor does. God put that job as a role of a man for a reason, so no, I don't think a woman could do just as good or better.

Theres enough discrimination against women in the world. This is a man-made (excuse the expression) rule, and not attributed to God himself speaking or Jesus, as far as I can tell. If you want to subjugate women, become a hardcore muslim.

How exactly do you see this as a man made law? In Paul's writings to Timothy concerning the Church of Ephesus, he isn't making this stuff up as he goes. God directed Paul in all things he spoke and preached about. Just as ministers today, when they preach, they preach the message that God has laid upon their hearts. They pray and seek direction from God as to what message they should present to their church, and I have no doubt that Paul did the same thing. If you read up on the history and teachings of Paul, you would see that and know that he was a great man of God who would preach nothing but what God was telling him to.

Its in no way about oppressing, subjugating, or discriminating against women. Its about men and women having their place within the church doing the jobs that God has designated for each of them.

LFJC, if you wish to debate this further, I would be more than happy to in pm's

10-01-2008, 02:54 AM	#11 (permalink)
TommyStrand Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sandnes, Norway Posts: 151 My Photos: (0)	Re: A Woman's role in the Church I think it is a dangerous thing to start seperating men and women. I have never supported it as I do not see a scriptural reference to it in the bible. I will stop posting here though regardless of whether it is right to do so or not, if the rules here prevent me to. But I did not know it was. Is it?

10-01-2008, 04:48 AM	#12 (permalink)
Mr. Harris Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: United States Posts: 57 My Photos: (0)	Re: A Woman's role in the Church Honestly I did not read the forum description where it says "For Women Only." My apologies, this will be my last post here until that changes. Mr. Harris

10-11-2008, 02:27 AM	#13 (permalink)
Kelcie Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3 My Photos: (0)	Re: A Woman's role in the Church I hope that no one minds that I kinda bump this thread with a reply. I have recently got back home from my honeymoon and have been so busy with after wedding stuff that I just haven't had time to surf the forums like I normally do. I will say that as a woman, in my church I've never felt unable to get in the pulpit and sing, or take a leadership role in a church group. There aren't any women that pastor my church, but I don't believe there are any rules saying they couldn't. I believe the only thing women in my church have to abide by when they get in the pulpit is not wearing a short skirt.. it must be knee length, but preferably longer. In my opinion, which may or may not mean anything, it's late and I'm probably just gonna ramble I believe like an above poster stated, that men and women, are both "called" by God to do a number of works in a church. Whether that be preaching, singing, taking care of the kids in the nursery, leading a women's prayer group, etc etc. I don't believe it's so much of a gender issue, as a heart issue. God looks at the heart of a person..( again just my opinion from my own personal relationship with Christ) Not what they look like, or how they dress, or their gender. There are just as many women able ( and called ) to preach the Word of God as men. Be it in a pulpit, a football stadium, on a radio or tv station.. it matters not. Joyce Meyer and Paula White are some of my favorite female pastors to listen to, and God through their testimonies and teachings has touched my life in ways that I don't think a man's preaching or teaching could have. Just because they identify with me in being a woman. For me, and my faith, it's all about my personal relationship with Christ, and the things he's brought me out of and saved me from, myself included. I believe men and women both should equally have a place pastoring a church or preaching a pulpit.. if that is what God has called them and lead them to do. Obviously, male or female it doesn't matter, if it was God's call on their life, the fruits of said calling and their will to obey will show by God blessing them (and the congregation) through their obedience. It's not for me to decide if it's wrong or should be allowed. Who am I to question God? Just because someone "interprets" a bible verse into Women shouldn't be allowed into the pulpit to preach, doesn't mean that for every instance that could be true. You never know the way God works for someone else or what he has called them to do. Your relationship with God ( and I know it sounds corny) is as original as a snowflake, and as original as you are. No two personal relationships with God are the same. At least I have yet to meet or speak with someone else that has had the exact same experiences with God as I have. In closing, to the OP. I respect and understand the rules your church goes by. I guess for me personally, I just never thought gender mattered. If a man or woman is called to preach, and is lead to get in the pulpit at that given moment, or has a message to share..I'll hear what they have to say. God will use whomever is willing to listen and hear him, to get to the unbelieving, or anyone else. I won't put limits on God, and that's not meant to offend or insinuating that you or your church does.. you just never know who God's gonna use next. Sorry for the long winded post. Edit: Spelling at 5:30am does not a good post make Last edited by Kelcie; 10-11-2008 at 02:30 AM.

01-15-2009, 05:54 AM	#15 (permalink)
Londie Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 77 My Photos: (0)	Re: A Woman's role in the Church Actually, I believe you've understood wrong. Men's only and Women's only are just that. eric even stated at one point he was trying to find a way that when people register for the site, they select their gender and then they would only see the forum which pertained to them. So, while I enjoy and get a kick out of debating with you, LFJC, it will need to be in the other 10+ forums available on the board Thank you! __________________ "What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us."

01-15-2009, 06:35 AM	#16 (permalink)
LFJC Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 99 My Photos: (0)	Re: A Woman's role in the Church Kind of a ridiculous policy imho. What does that accomplish exactly? Ah well, Im out then. __________________ *"Fossils came to exist during the flood. So did oil and all that. Dinosaurs lived with man, and were called dragons until the 1800s"* <--Fanatical Theory ,2008